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	<title>Comments on: Feminism and Other &#8220;-isms&#8221; in Capoeira: Explanations, Not Excuses</title>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh, okay.  Well, that makes sense :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, okay.  Well, that makes sense <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure that if I was out of control he would reel that in as well. Otherwise, I think Contra Mestre want students to push themselves to new limits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that if I was out of control he would reel that in as well. Otherwise, I think Contra Mestre want students to push themselves to new limits.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha, thanks for sharing, Robin.  I think that definitely demonstrates that we all have our own personal trip-up points to work on!

That&#039;s interesting though, how you contrasted your Contra-Mestre&#039;s preference with yours...wouldn&#039;t he emphasize both, as in &quot;kick fast but make sure you still have control&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, thanks for sharing, Robin.  I think that definitely demonstrates that we all have our own personal trip-up points to work on!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting though, how you contrasted your Contra-Mestre&#8217;s preference with yours&#8230;wouldn&#8217;t he emphasize both, as in &#8220;kick fast but make sure you still have control&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forget just strength, I&#039;m trying not to bust lung during the longer match ups. Sometimes I&#039;m in the Roda, and no one is buying in because the Contra Mestre is controlling the flow.  After 4 minutes, while my strength is still decent, but I have the balance and coordination of a stringed puppet. My lungs are screaming for every bite of oxygen as my kick wobbles through the air.

My opponent throws a kick and I don&#039;t so much as dodge as I collapse away from the kick. Now I&#039;m stuck with my stomach in the air, trying to be as menacing as possible with my crab walk. I kick from my floored position to keep my opponent out of my airspace while I&#039;m trying to grab some clean air from the ground level.

Then when we mercifully get out and back to singing, I&#039;m still trying to muster enough air for the song for another couple minutes.

So yeah, endurance is a feature to work on. Although I most often hear, &quot;Robin, open up your legs more; move faster!&quot; Contra Mestre is big on moving as fast as possible, while I&#039;m big on doing the move in a manner that I can control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget just strength, I&#8217;m trying not to bust lung during the longer match ups. Sometimes I&#8217;m in the Roda, and no one is buying in because the Contra Mestre is controlling the flow.  After 4 minutes, while my strength is still decent, but I have the balance and coordination of a stringed puppet. My lungs are screaming for every bite of oxygen as my kick wobbles through the air.</p>
<p>My opponent throws a kick and I don&#8217;t so much as dodge as I collapse away from the kick. Now I&#8217;m stuck with my stomach in the air, trying to be as menacing as possible with my crab walk. I kick from my floored position to keep my opponent out of my airspace while I&#8217;m trying to grab some clean air from the ground level.</p>
<p>Then when we mercifully get out and back to singing, I&#8217;m still trying to muster enough air for the song for another couple minutes.</p>
<p>So yeah, endurance is a feature to work on. Although I most often hear, &#8220;Robin, open up your legs more; move faster!&#8221; Contra Mestre is big on moving as fast as possible, while I&#8217;m big on doing the move in a manner that I can control.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Coral!  

That is a REALLY good point.  I need to remember that!  Although I think it&#039;s actually a combination of both, working on the movement might work even better since it&#039;s kind of like building strength *and* technique at the same time.  Haha, we should tell NASA to get started on their reverse-gravity apparatus for one-time installation in capoeira academies...

And YES I totally know what you mean about knowing the sequence or movement but not actually being able to do it!  That&#039;s one of the most frustrating things for me, ever...especially when people in front of me have the strength but have trouble with the movement/sequence, whereas I could dictate the entire thing step-by-step by memory but am relegated further back because I can&#039;t do it physically!  

The absolute WORST is when there&#039;s a sequence I actually *can* do, or can half-do, but the people who go first don&#039;t remember it properly, so then the teacher assumes it&#039;s just too hard for all of us and then *downgrades* the movement for the rest!!!

Oh, I never thought it was really a static assessment, either...it doesn&#039;t really make sense for the teacher, or anyone, to mean it &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; the &quot;yet&quot;, or there&#039;s almost no point in saying so!  Still, I think the message I&#039;d take away are both the ones ending your first paragraph, but maybe with a &quot;thus&quot; in between?  Since practicing the move would make you stronger at it, and if you know you lack the strength, that would make you want to practice more. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Coral!  </p>
<p>That is a REALLY good point.  I need to remember that!  Although I think it&#8217;s actually a combination of both, working on the movement might work even better since it&#8217;s kind of like building strength *and* technique at the same time.  Haha, we should tell NASA to get started on their reverse-gravity apparatus for one-time installation in capoeira academies&#8230;</p>
<p>And YES I totally know what you mean about knowing the sequence or movement but not actually being able to do it!  That&#8217;s one of the most frustrating things for me, ever&#8230;especially when people in front of me have the strength but have trouble with the movement/sequence, whereas I could dictate the entire thing step-by-step by memory but am relegated further back because I can&#8217;t do it physically!  </p>
<p>The absolute WORST is when there&#8217;s a sequence I actually *can* do, or can half-do, but the people who go first don&#8217;t remember it properly, so then the teacher assumes it&#8217;s just too hard for all of us and then *downgrades* the movement for the rest!!!</p>
<p>Oh, I never thought it was really a static assessment, either&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t really make sense for the teacher, or anyone, to mean it <i>without</i> the &#8220;yet&#8221;, or there&#8217;s almost no point in saying so!  Still, I think the message I&#8217;d take away are both the ones ending your first paragraph, but maybe with a &#8220;thus&#8221; in between?  Since practicing the move would make you stronger at it, and if you know you lack the strength, that would make you want to practice more. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: coral</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coral]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oi Joaninha.  The &quot;good technique, not enough strength&quot; definitely rings a bell with me.  I know that when I first started capoeira, in class there would frequently be moves or sequencias that I understood how to do, but just couldn&#039;t physically do them because my muscles weren&#039;t strong enough in the right way.  But I never felt that &quot;not enough strength&quot; was a static assessment of the situation.  Capoeira movements make you use your muscles in ways that they haven&#039;t been used before, and use is what makes a muscle strong, so if I wasn&#039;t strong enough for queda de rin, it was because I&#039;d never used my muscles for a queda de rin, not because I&#039;m inherently lacking in strength.  When people say &quot;not enough strength&quot;,  I think it&#039;s often more in the sense of &quot;not enough strength yet&quot;.  The message to take away isn&#039;t &quot;lack of strength is holding you back&quot;, it&#039;s &quot;practice the move more&quot;.

Strength is a funny thing.  It comes in many forms.  A lot of dudes I see benching a ton of weight at the gym couldn&#039;t do half the stuff some skinny angoleiros can do, and maybe vice-versa.  I&#039;ve known capoeiristas that actually had to lose muscle when they started training in order to be able to do some moves.  I think in capoeira, just overall being stronger won&#039;t be as effective as training your muscles for specific moves; ie, being X amount stronger won&#039;t help you nail a move as much as practicing that move 15 minutes a day will.  (Although I wish it would, because I can really only spend so much time doing bananeira against a wall before all the blood rushes to my head :))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi Joaninha.  The &#8220;good technique, not enough strength&#8221; definitely rings a bell with me.  I know that when I first started capoeira, in class there would frequently be moves or sequencias that I understood how to do, but just couldn&#8217;t physically do them because my muscles weren&#8217;t strong enough in the right way.  But I never felt that &#8220;not enough strength&#8221; was a static assessment of the situation.  Capoeira movements make you use your muscles in ways that they haven&#8217;t been used before, and use is what makes a muscle strong, so if I wasn&#8217;t strong enough for queda de rin, it was because I&#8217;d never used my muscles for a queda de rin, not because I&#8217;m inherently lacking in strength.  When people say &#8220;not enough strength&#8221;,  I think it&#8217;s often more in the sense of &#8220;not enough strength yet&#8221;.  The message to take away isn&#8217;t &#8220;lack of strength is holding you back&#8221;, it&#8217;s &#8220;practice the move more&#8221;.</p>
<p>Strength is a funny thing.  It comes in many forms.  A lot of dudes I see benching a ton of weight at the gym couldn&#8217;t do half the stuff some skinny angoleiros can do, and maybe vice-versa.  I&#8217;ve known capoeiristas that actually had to lose muscle when they started training in order to be able to do some moves.  I think in capoeira, just overall being stronger won&#8217;t be as effective as training your muscles for specific moves; ie, being X amount stronger won&#8217;t help you nail a move as much as practicing that move 15 minutes a day will.  (Although I wish it would, because I can really only spend so much time doing bananeira against a wall before all the blood rushes to my head <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Panama, thanks!  The move was going down as if you&#039;re doing au, but then lifting your legs and switching them as you lower yourself in queda de rins, ending up in queda de rins but with your legs in meia lua de coluna position.  So I was moving my body right and putting my hands in the right places and stuff, but my arms weren&#039;t strong enough for me to be able to actually lower myself slowly onto them (as opposed to falling/landing ungracefully!).

I have to say I actually haven&#039;t seen it that much in my own experience, aside from literally -my- experience as I wrote about.  You&#039;re definitely right about the spectrum: every single person will be better than you at something, and worse than you at something, and vice versa.  

That&#039;s interesting what you said about women falling into the &quot;trap&quot; of just wanting to be better than men.  Could you elaborate on that a little?

And thanks again for your comment!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Panama, thanks!  The move was going down as if you&#8217;re doing au, but then lifting your legs and switching them as you lower yourself in queda de rins, ending up in queda de rins but with your legs in meia lua de coluna position.  So I was moving my body right and putting my hands in the right places and stuff, but my arms weren&#8217;t strong enough for me to be able to actually lower myself slowly onto them (as opposed to falling/landing ungracefully!).</p>
<p>I have to say I actually haven&#8217;t seen it that much in my own experience, aside from literally -my- experience as I wrote about.  You&#8217;re definitely right about the spectrum: every single person will be better than you at something, and worse than you at something, and vice versa.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting what you said about women falling into the &#8220;trap&#8221; of just wanting to be better than men.  Could you elaborate on that a little?</p>
<p>And thanks again for your comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Panama</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/11/09/feminism-and-other-isms-explanations-not-excuses/#comment-1377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Panama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post!  Just curious--what move were you working on when you were given the feedback &#039;good technique, you just need to be stronger&#039;?  Strength definitely comes into play in capoeira but usually lack of strength prevents good technique so that&#039;s why I&#039;m curious about the comments you are receiving.  

I liked how you brought up the idea of examining &#039;ism&#039;s vs. making excuses.  I&#039;ve seen both very prevalent in capoeira.  Generally, speaking men are better in capoeira.  And generally speaking, many women don&#039;t train as hard and don&#039;t play as aggressively.  There are many reasons for this and definitely sexism and cultural and social norms come into play.  

Of course there is a spectrum, when it comes to skill, strength, flexibility, speed, etc.  Men and women fall in different places along this spectrum.  I&#039;m better than some men and some men are better than me when it comes to strength, speed, game, flexibility, etc.  

I don&#039;t have much control over sexism and what people think about me as a woman.  But I can control how I train.  So I train as hard as possible, not to be better than men (some women fall into this trap) but to be as good as I can possibly be.  

Thanks again for your great post.   I always look forward to reading your blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post!  Just curious&#8211;what move were you working on when you were given the feedback &#8216;good technique, you just need to be stronger&#8217;?  Strength definitely comes into play in capoeira but usually lack of strength prevents good technique so that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m curious about the comments you are receiving.  </p>
<p>I liked how you brought up the idea of examining &#8216;ism&#8217;s vs. making excuses.  I&#8217;ve seen both very prevalent in capoeira.  Generally, speaking men are better in capoeira.  And generally speaking, many women don&#8217;t train as hard and don&#8217;t play as aggressively.  There are many reasons for this and definitely sexism and cultural and social norms come into play.  </p>
<p>Of course there is a spectrum, when it comes to skill, strength, flexibility, speed, etc.  Men and women fall in different places along this spectrum.  I&#8217;m better than some men and some men are better than me when it comes to strength, speed, game, flexibility, etc.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much control over sexism and what people think about me as a woman.  But I can control how I train.  So I train as hard as possible, not to be better than men (some women fall into this trap) but to be as good as I can possibly be.  </p>
<p>Thanks again for your great post.   I always look forward to reading your blog.</p>
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