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	<title>Comments on: Video: &#8220;Capoeira Girl&#8221; [CGI]</title>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, what do you mean by &quot;somebody else should solve problems for you&quot;?  You mean by making rules for you?  I think it&#039;s not so much the idea of someone dealing with it for you but that if a rule is or isn&#039;t in place that would affect the environment and how comfortable each person is making their particular choice in it.  But then again, you could also be right in terms of &quot;Who cares what other people think?!!&quot;  

Also, just to clarify, I think the conversation above was more along the lines of discussing how different capoeira schools address stuff like this, as opposed to &quot;like, omg, should I, like, wear a sports bra?!?!?  Omg, like, I don&#039;t know what to do!!&quot; which you seemed to imply...

The burkha question is interesting...it kind of addresses the issue of why I was on the fence about that one, like I mentioned above.  Is it &quot;levelling&quot; and &quot;respecting the academy&quot;, or &quot;oppression&quot; (another extreme word, but for lack of a better one I can think of right now)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, what do you mean by &#8220;somebody else should solve problems for you&#8221;?  You mean by making rules for you?  I think it&#8217;s not so much the idea of someone dealing with it for you but that if a rule is or isn&#8217;t in place that would affect the environment and how comfortable each person is making their particular choice in it.  But then again, you could also be right in terms of &#8220;Who cares what other people think?!!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Also, just to clarify, I think the conversation above was more along the lines of discussing how different capoeira schools address stuff like this, as opposed to &#8220;like, omg, should I, like, wear a sports bra?!?!?  Omg, like, I don&#8217;t know what to do!!&#8221; which you seemed to imply&#8230;</p>
<p>The burkha question is interesting&#8230;it kind of addresses the issue of why I was on the fence about that one, like I mentioned above.  Is it &#8220;levelling&#8221; and &#8220;respecting the academy&#8221;, or &#8220;oppression&#8221; (another extreme word, but for lack of a better one I can think of right now)?</p>
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		<title>By: angoleiro</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1396</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Malandro, I guess it&#039;s ok to ask somebody respectfully to obey your rules when entering their school, no? if you dont like the rules, you dont have to be there. it sounds hard but that&#039;s how it is. my trainer asked everyone to wear shoes while at his training, and told the people to wear t-shirts. men and women. it&#039;s equal, it&#039;s fair, and if somebody gets annoyed by it, because that doesnt fit into his &quot;system&quot; then it&#039;s not the problem of the school, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Malandro, I guess it&#8217;s ok to ask somebody respectfully to obey your rules when entering their school, no? if you dont like the rules, you dont have to be there. it sounds hard but that&#8217;s how it is. my trainer asked everyone to wear shoes while at his training, and told the people to wear t-shirts. men and women. it&#8217;s equal, it&#8217;s fair, and if somebody gets annoyed by it, because that doesnt fit into his &#8220;system&#8221; then it&#8217;s not the problem of the school, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Malandro</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malandro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol at the sports bra issue...see, girls, it&#039;s real easy: If you don&#039;t feel comfortable in a sports bra (being unattractive, ogled, whatever) then WEAR A GODDAMNED t-shirt! LOL! Why do you think somebody else should solve your problems for you?

As for &#039;respectfully asking them to put a large tshirt on&#039;...what would you do if somebody respectfully asked you to wear a burkha in his house?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol at the sports bra issue&#8230;see, girls, it&#8217;s real easy: If you don&#8217;t feel comfortable in a sports bra (being unattractive, ogled, whatever) then WEAR A GODDAMNED t-shirt! LOL! Why do you think somebody else should solve your problems for you?</p>
<p>As for &#8216;respectfully asking them to put a large tshirt on&#8217;&#8230;what would you do if somebody respectfully asked you to wear a burkha in his house?</p>
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		<title>By: cenoura</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cenoura]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[meant to address the first part of the last comment to Akira]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meant to address the first part of the last comment to Akira</p>
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		<title>By: cenoura</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cenoura]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, I don&#039;t know if the best way to do anything is to strip both players as much as possible.  It&#039;s a common ad method, but that hardly means much good to me.    That said, is what Shayna&#039;s group does really much different than a particular club or restaurant having a dress code?  Or another martial art having a uniform?  I don&#039;t know that I think it&#039;s making the visitor keep attention off themselves.  But I guess now that I say that, I do kind of see your point and that is a bit problematic-or at least very similar to a lot of modesty rules that I do find problematic.  I mean, in my group you have to wear our shirts for much other than informal practices.  It&#039;s never been framed as a modesty rule, but it does work that way.    That ad brings up the same issues for me as ads where runners can&#039;t ever seem to wear a shirt-it&#039;s annoying from a using sex to sell everything perspective, but I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s making any comment on the particular activity being shown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I don&#8217;t know if the best way to do anything is to strip both players as much as possible.  It&#8217;s a common ad method, but that hardly means much good to me.    That said, is what Shayna&#8217;s group does really much different than a particular club or restaurant having a dress code?  Or another martial art having a uniform?  I don&#8217;t know that I think it&#8217;s making the visitor keep attention off themselves.  But I guess now that I say that, I do kind of see your point and that is a bit problematic-or at least very similar to a lot of modesty rules that I do find problematic.  I mean, in my group you have to wear our shirts for much other than informal practices.  It&#8217;s never been framed as a modesty rule, but it does work that way.    That ad brings up the same issues for me as ads where runners can&#8217;t ever seem to wear a shirt-it&#8217;s annoying from a using sex to sell everything perspective, but I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s making any comment on the particular activity being shown.</p>
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		<title>By: Akira</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aye Joaninha, it is what Bimba did. His son Nenel is the mestre of our school and he&#039;s very keen on tradition. I believe he&#039;s only made one person mestre during his tenure as the head of our school. It was done the old-fashioned way: the guy is a skilled capoeirista and was already widely regarded as a mestre for his dedication and service to the community with many projects to help people.

And about the sports bra: what about the guy&#039;s physique? Not all men have bodies like that and might feel a little intimidated/ashamed! You&#039;re forgetting that a lot of issues females have are also relevant to the other gender. ;-) Sure, ideal male bodies aren&#039;t as scrutinised or publicised as ideal female bodies are, nor are we sexually objectified to the same degree (though all this is slowly changing - equalising if you will :-P) yet in principle it&#039;s the same.

I didn&#039;t really notice the sports bra at first - I was too busy checking out their capoeira! Anyway, people in tight or little clothing is familiar to me in the context of capoeira, which is another reason it didn&#039;t cross my mind. It just seemed to fit, if you know what I mean?

Furthermore, I assumed it was chosen for aesthetics since it&#039;s a video. What&#039;s more beautiful than a toned human body? The best way to reveal that and keep in the spirit of capoeira is to strip both players as much as possible - no top for the guy and a sports bra for the lady. Why it is acceptable for males to bare their chests but not for women is an entirely different matter... ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye Joaninha, it is what Bimba did. His son Nenel is the mestre of our school and he&#8217;s very keen on tradition. I believe he&#8217;s only made one person mestre during his tenure as the head of our school. It was done the old-fashioned way: the guy is a skilled capoeirista and was already widely regarded as a mestre for his dedication and service to the community with many projects to help people.</p>
<p>And about the sports bra: what about the guy&#8217;s physique? Not all men have bodies like that and might feel a little intimidated/ashamed! You&#8217;re forgetting that a lot of issues females have are also relevant to the other gender. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sure, ideal male bodies aren&#8217;t as scrutinised or publicised as ideal female bodies are, nor are we sexually objectified to the same degree (though all this is slowly changing &#8211; equalising if you will <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> ) yet in principle it&#8217;s the same.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t really notice the sports bra at first &#8211; I was too busy checking out their capoeira! Anyway, people in tight or little clothing is familiar to me in the context of capoeira, which is another reason it didn&#8217;t cross my mind. It just seemed to fit, if you know what I mean?</p>
<p>Furthermore, I assumed it was chosen for aesthetics since it&#8217;s a video. What&#8217;s more beautiful than a toned human body? The best way to reveal that and keep in the spirit of capoeira is to strip both players as much as possible &#8211; no top for the guy and a sports bra for the lady. Why it is acceptable for males to bare their chests but not for women is an entirely different matter&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Shayna, 

Actually, that&#039;s really interesting...we&#039;ve touched on the question of women wearing revealing/form-fitting clothing in general, but come to think of it, never directly discussed it in the context of what women wear to train capoeira!

In my group, women wear both T-shirts and sports bras to train...so I don&#039;t know if the fact I&#039;m okay with that is because I&#039;m used to it or not.  I&#039;ve never felt pressure to train in a sports bra myself (for one thing, it would be &lt;i&gt;completely&lt;/i&gt; unflattering and embarassing), and I haven&#039;t found wearing/not wearing one really affects how you&#039;re seen or treated, in my group anyway (luckily!).

I think I&#039;m okay with using both if the environment makes it clear that either one is perfectly fine and okay, and doesn&#039;t try pressuring people towards a preference for one or the other, since I can see a practical value in using sports bras as well (like easier mobility/agility and your shirt not falling down in bananeira XD).

I actually am not really sure what I think about the concensus your group came to...it could go both ways...as in, I think it makes sense to respectfully ask her to put on a t-shirt, the same way one might be expected to follow your style of play in the roda...On the other hand, it does seem to imply a tiny bit that it&#039;s wrong, at least inside the academy, because otherwise she wouldn&#039;t need to be asked...and in terms of keeping the focus on the capoeira, one could ask why the onus is on the visitor to keep attention off of herself, and not on everyone else for keeping themselves focused on capoeira instead of staring at her?  But I also see the point about the safe space...so I&#039;m undecided!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Shayna, </p>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s really interesting&#8230;we&#8217;ve touched on the question of women wearing revealing/form-fitting clothing in general, but come to think of it, never directly discussed it in the context of what women wear to train capoeira!</p>
<p>In my group, women wear both T-shirts and sports bras to train&#8230;so I don&#8217;t know if the fact I&#8217;m okay with that is because I&#8217;m used to it or not.  I&#8217;ve never felt pressure to train in a sports bra myself (for one thing, it would be <i>completely</i> unflattering and embarassing), and I haven&#8217;t found wearing/not wearing one really affects how you&#8217;re seen or treated, in my group anyway (luckily!).</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m okay with using both if the environment makes it clear that either one is perfectly fine and okay, and doesn&#8217;t try pressuring people towards a preference for one or the other, since I can see a practical value in using sports bras as well (like easier mobility/agility and your shirt not falling down in bananeira XD).</p>
<p>I actually am not really sure what I think about the concensus your group came to&#8230;it could go both ways&#8230;as in, I think it makes sense to respectfully ask her to put on a t-shirt, the same way one might be expected to follow your style of play in the roda&#8230;On the other hand, it does seem to imply a tiny bit that it&#8217;s wrong, at least inside the academy, because otherwise she wouldn&#8217;t need to be asked&#8230;and in terms of keeping the focus on the capoeira, one could ask why the onus is on the visitor to keep attention off of herself, and not on everyone else for keeping themselves focused on capoeira instead of staring at her?  But I also see the point about the safe space&#8230;so I&#8217;m undecided!</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cenoura, 

Yeah, I agree about the cordas being for Coke too.  Haha, I feel silly.  What a great idea on their part, though!

Between raw and white...yes, what Shayna said. ^^&quot;  Also, I think white is actually dyed white, so it would be brighter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cenoura, </p>
<p>Yeah, I agree about the cordas being for Coke too.  Haha, I feel silly.  What a great idea on their part, though!</p>
<p>Between raw and white&#8230;yes, what Shayna said. ^^&#8221;  Also, I think white is actually dyed white, so it would be brighter.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cigana...the part about the cordas being for Coca Cola...wow!!  It seems so obvious now, I can&#039;t believe I didn&#039;t see that or think of it at ALL!!  Hahaha...that was an amazing observation...that&#039;ll teach me to jump to conclusions. :P

And thanks for the definition. ^^&quot;  It was bugging me because I know I&#039;d heard it somewhere before...and I was right, it&#039;s also the name of someone else in my grupo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cigana&#8230;the part about the cordas being for Coca Cola&#8230;wow!!  It seems so obvious now, I can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t see that or think of it at ALL!!  Hahaha&#8230;that was an amazing observation&#8230;that&#8217;ll teach me to jump to conclusions. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And thanks for the definition. ^^&#8221;  It was bugging me because I know I&#8217;d heard it somewhere before&#8230;and I was right, it&#8217;s also the name of someone else in my grupo!</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
		<link>http://mandingueira.com/2008/05/06/video-capoeira-girl-cgi/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ditto, AxeCoxinha!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto, AxeCoxinha!</p>
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