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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting that they don&#039;t dress according to our norms when they come to the U.S.  Maybe we should deride them for dressing in a living room drape?  Always a one-way deal with Muslims it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that they don&#8217;t dress according to our norms when they come to the U.S.  Maybe we should deride them for dressing in a living room drape?  Always a one-way deal with Muslims it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: magnus.baculum@gmail.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a friend (tall, beautiful, blonde, long-legged) who goes to Morocco yearly specifically for that reason, to get more attention from men, and indulge herself. Why not do that at home? well, she prefers darker men, and there are not many where she lives, and she says these men are too shy anyway, only approaching a woman if they are intoxicated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend (tall, beautiful, blonde, long-legged) who goes to Morocco yearly specifically for that reason, to get more attention from men, and indulge herself. Why not do that at home? well, she prefers darker men, and there are not many where she lives, and she says these men are too shy anyway, only approaching a woman if they are intoxicated.</p>
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		<title>By: momofbron</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 17:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG!  I am dating a Moroccan man who is the sweetest person in the world.  I have always wanted to go to Morocco, Marakash being one of the cities - now you have me scared.  Maybe a trip to Morocco, but definitely other cities instead of Marakash.  I used to hear stories, years ago about the kidnapping and harassment of blondes, but thought it was fiction.  You all just made me a believer.  Sorry your trips were so horrible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG!  I am dating a Moroccan man who is the sweetest person in the world.  I have always wanted to go to Morocco, Marakash being one of the cities &#8211; now you have me scared.  Maybe a trip to Morocco, but definitely other cities instead of Marakash.  I used to hear stories, years ago about the kidnapping and harassment of blondes, but thought it was fiction.  You all just made me a believer.  Sorry your trips were so horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 04:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marrakech was a dissapointment to us to, they do spit on you.  
Also beware dating the false moroccan muslim men, ......................they only want a visa and money out of you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marrakech was a dissapointment to us to, they do spit on you.<br />
Also beware dating the false moroccan muslim men, &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.they only want a visa and money out of you</p>
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		<title>By: christine dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[christine dodd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have just returned from 3 nights in Marrakech  with my sister.
Unfortunately we also felt very vulnerable and unsafe .
Our Riad was within a walled maze and we were very nervous while walking from and to the Riad, day or night.
Groups of young guys were gathered at the sides of the dimly lit alley ways and yes we marched confidently past them ignoring their snide overtly sexual inuendo,s but did not feel safe till we were inside and the door locked.
We are not young women but mature mothers.
The local women especially the older women sneered at us and some spat on the ground.We were not dressed inappropriately and showed respect especially as it was Ramadan.

I was so disapointed as I had looked forward to visiting this city for so long.
Yes it has some beautiful buildings and museums but our anxiety at going out ruined it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just returned from 3 nights in Marrakech  with my sister.<br />
Unfortunately we also felt very vulnerable and unsafe .<br />
Our Riad was within a walled maze and we were very nervous while walking from and to the Riad, day or night.<br />
Groups of young guys were gathered at the sides of the dimly lit alley ways and yes we marched confidently past them ignoring their snide overtly sexual inuendo,s but did not feel safe till we were inside and the door locked.<br />
We are not young women but mature mothers.<br />
The local women especially the older women sneered at us and some spat on the ground.We were not dressed inappropriately and showed respect especially as it was Ramadan.</p>
<p>I was so disapointed as I had looked forward to visiting this city for so long.<br />
Yes it has some beautiful buildings and museums but our anxiety at going out ruined it.</p>
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		<title>By: Silvia Wadhwa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silvia Wadhwa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly sympathise .... It CAN be a culture shock!!!

But I can also safely say that I have never felt THREATENED anywhere, just varying cadences of annoyed .... Having said that, a lifetime of working and travelling in the orient (from India to Morocco) has taught me a few simple things:

When in Rome, do a the Romans do. Simple.

No short skirts, shorts, sleeveless blouses or tight t-shirts .... 

In most Arab countries I usually carry a shawl, scarf or something .... if I feel it warranted, I cover my hair ....

I must admit, the latter has FOR ME always done the trick.

But then again, I have never really been a tourist in these countries and maybe that made me a little less of a target.

And another thing: While young Arab males no doubt trawl the tourist haunts for female &quot;prey&quot;, there are enough WHITE WOMEN looking for an oriental holiday adventure. And that often gives those boys the idea that all western women are like that ... sadly so.

On balance, I would certainly not tell anybody NOT to travel to Morocco. It´s a beautiful country and has - like any other place on earth - princes and crooks alike.

As the Moroccans say: Basah! ... Really!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly sympathise &#8230;. It CAN be a culture shock!!!</p>
<p>But I can also safely say that I have never felt THREATENED anywhere, just varying cadences of annoyed &#8230;. Having said that, a lifetime of working and travelling in the orient (from India to Morocco) has taught me a few simple things:</p>
<p>When in Rome, do a the Romans do. Simple.</p>
<p>No short skirts, shorts, sleeveless blouses or tight t-shirts &#8230;. </p>
<p>In most Arab countries I usually carry a shawl, scarf or something &#8230;. if I feel it warranted, I cover my hair &#8230;.</p>
<p>I must admit, the latter has FOR ME always done the trick.</p>
<p>But then again, I have never really been a tourist in these countries and maybe that made me a little less of a target.</p>
<p>And another thing: While young Arab males no doubt trawl the tourist haunts for female &#8220;prey&#8221;, there are enough WHITE WOMEN looking for an oriental holiday adventure. And that often gives those boys the idea that all western women are like that &#8230; sadly so.</p>
<p>On balance, I would certainly not tell anybody NOT to travel to Morocco. It´s a beautiful country and has &#8211; like any other place on earth &#8211; princes and crooks alike.</p>
<p>As the Moroccans say: Basah! &#8230; Really!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Pilkes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Pilkes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello girls.
It has sure been an interesting read. Well...im a man and I must say misogyny in developing countries manifests itself in street harassment whereas in the west it does in the form of real hardcore porn (women covered in scat, pissed on..double anal..and what not..sorry for being graphic).
So don&#039;t take it too badly dear..anyways...they have their fair share of white sex tourists in casablanca and agadir..women their look wonderful though...but one case has really created huge chasms between westerns and the local men...read about philippe saverty here: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/66
so u see..the world is indeed round sister..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello girls.<br />
It has sure been an interesting read. Well&#8230;im a man and I must say misogyny in developing countries manifests itself in street harassment whereas in the west it does in the form of real hardcore porn (women covered in scat, pissed on..double anal..and what not..sorry for being graphic).<br />
So don&#8217;t take it too badly dear..anyways&#8230;they have their fair share of white sex tourists in casablanca and agadir..women their look wonderful though&#8230;but one case has really created huge chasms between westerns and the local men&#8230;read about philippe saverty here: <a href="http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/66" rel="nofollow">http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/66</a><br />
so u see..the world is indeed round sister..</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Lana, wow, thank you for sharing that with us.  I have to say though that I definitely wouldn&#039;t be able to do what you did, what you described as &quot;giving in&quot; (and at the expense of your then-current relationship, no less).  To be honest, given my feelings in that situation, doing something like that would have felt horribly like succumbing to a perverse case of Stockholm syndrome (not that there&#039;s such a thing as a non-perverse case of Stockholm syndrome, I guess).  I don&#039;t think I found that such extreme measures were actually necessary or would be, but if you and the guy really truly liked or loved each other (besides him being able to provide &quot;protection&quot;), I suppose that&#039;s kind of different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lana, wow, thank you for sharing that with us.  I have to say though that I definitely wouldn&#8217;t be able to do what you did, what you described as &#8220;giving in&#8221; (and at the expense of your then-current relationship, no less).  To be honest, given my feelings in that situation, doing something like that would have felt horribly like succumbing to a perverse case of Stockholm syndrome (not that there&#8217;s such a thing as a non-perverse case of Stockholm syndrome, I guess).  I don&#8217;t think I found that such extreme measures were actually necessary or would be, but if you and the guy really truly liked or loved each other (besides him being able to provide &#8220;protection&#8221;), I suppose that&#8217;s kind of different.</p>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. I feel so much better after reading this.  I stayed in the Medina in Essaouira.  I experienced the harassment.   Even worse. I went with my boyfriend and his six year old son.  I finally gave in.  

Remember the portion of this thread that says... 
&quot;Do you recall the Comments section of my “Women, Men, and Brazilian Bikinis” post, where Xixarro said, “We can’t be expecting women to go thank every man that passes her ‘normally’, can we”?  Well, it is so bad here, the harassment is so frequent and omnipresent, that every time we passed a man walking towards us, all I would think was, “Please don’t say anything. Please don’t bother us. Please don’t come near us”; and when the man passed without incident, we really DID feel compelled to genuinely thank him for “acting normal”!  It was ridiculous; a man just gave us directions to somewhere without pressuring us to follow him or attempting to stick to us, and we spent the next five minutes exclaiming over how nice he was.&quot;

Beautiful.  Its so true for me that I really really did give in.  

I picked the nicest one and the one that just happened to be one of the most intelligent and most compassionate men I had ever met in my life.  He never once hit on me.  I hit on him.  He was born in the sand dunes.  No joke; he  is from the Sahara. Beautiful boy who told me he would keep me safe as long as I was by his side.  He treated me like a princess and when I left he wouldn&#039;t let me cry that my relationship with my boyfriend and his son had ended because it was all an experience.  

He told me never to cry about him and just to be happy that we could &quot;share a moment together.&quot;  

I will never forget him.  But I will also never forget that my relationship was destroyed in Morocco.  

I just wanted to feel safe.  For that, I had to sacrifice my relationship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I feel so much better after reading this.  I stayed in the Medina in Essaouira.  I experienced the harassment.   Even worse. I went with my boyfriend and his six year old son.  I finally gave in.  </p>
<p>Remember the portion of this thread that says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Do you recall the Comments section of my “Women, Men, and Brazilian Bikinis” post, where Xixarro said, “We can’t be expecting women to go thank every man that passes her ‘normally’, can we”?  Well, it is so bad here, the harassment is so frequent and omnipresent, that every time we passed a man walking towards us, all I would think was, “Please don’t say anything. Please don’t bother us. Please don’t come near us”; and when the man passed without incident, we really DID feel compelled to genuinely thank him for “acting normal”!  It was ridiculous; a man just gave us directions to somewhere without pressuring us to follow him or attempting to stick to us, and we spent the next five minutes exclaiming over how nice he was.&#8221;</p>
<p>Beautiful.  Its so true for me that I really really did give in.  </p>
<p>I picked the nicest one and the one that just happened to be one of the most intelligent and most compassionate men I had ever met in my life.  He never once hit on me.  I hit on him.  He was born in the sand dunes.  No joke; he  is from the Sahara. Beautiful boy who told me he would keep me safe as long as I was by his side.  He treated me like a princess and when I left he wouldn&#8217;t let me cry that my relationship with my boyfriend and his son had ended because it was all an experience.  </p>
<p>He told me never to cry about him and just to be happy that we could &#8220;share a moment together.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I will never forget him.  But I will also never forget that my relationship was destroyed in Morocco.  </p>
<p>I just wanted to feel safe.  For that, I had to sacrifice my relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaninha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joaninha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Sally,

Haha, it&#039;s always nice to be related to!  

And yes, EVERYONE is accosted from a tourism point of view, but I&#039;m pretty sure in terms of random men loitering on sidewalks, it&#039;s just us women that get all the luck. XD  

And yes, we had the 10-year old boys showing you the way out then asking for money, too!  And they kept asking for more even after we gave them some, but then we actually said to them it wasn&#039;t fair because we never asked for them to come and had no choice in the matter.  

And yes, the more people I talk to the more I think it&#039;s mostly Marrakech rather than Morocco in general...other friends told me that Fez and Casablanca, for example, were better, and that Marrakech was actually disliked the most by all three of them while they liked the other cities.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing your experience!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sally,</p>
<p>Haha, it&#8217;s always nice to be related to!  </p>
<p>And yes, EVERYONE is accosted from a tourism point of view, but I&#8217;m pretty sure in terms of random men loitering on sidewalks, it&#8217;s just us women that get all the luck. XD  </p>
<p>And yes, we had the 10-year old boys showing you the way out then asking for money, too!  And they kept asking for more even after we gave them some, but then we actually said to them it wasn&#8217;t fair because we never asked for them to come and had no choice in the matter.  </p>
<p>And yes, the more people I talk to the more I think it&#8217;s mostly Marrakech rather than Morocco in general&#8230;other friends told me that Fez and Casablanca, for example, were better, and that Marrakech was actually disliked the most by all three of them while they liked the other cities.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for sharing your experience!</p>
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